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===[[Kastle, Herbert D.|Castle, Herb]]===
===[[Kastle, Herbert D.|Castle, Herb]]===
===Colletta, Vince===
The following regarding Vince Colletta's collaborations with other artists was received from his son, Franklin Colletta, on January 1, 2013.
"My dad was responsible for producing a lot of art from time to time. Coincidentally, many artists were looking for work. You would have to list about 25 guys to cover what was essentially the Colletta studios in the 50s, 60s and 70s.
Many stories are credited to Vinnie alone when in fact there were other hands in the mix. I started using the 'Vince Colletta Studio' credit because I've seen his collaborative art referred to that way and out of fairness. There was no fixed arrangement, per se. Artists who had talent and could meet deadlines like Joe Sinnott, Dick Giordano, Hy Eisman and Maurice Whitman figured prominently while slower or less enthusiastic artists like Mike Sekowsky, Frank Giacoia, Matt Baker or Wally Wood appeared less frequently. The contributions by artists working under my father ranged from penciling and inking to backgrounds and breakdowns. Vinnie's own contributions to books I consider "Vince Colletta Studio" material ranged from drawing 99% of the stories to just retouching faces and other prominent features."


===Costanza, John===
===Costanza, John===


Jim Van Dore notes Costanza's use of a reversed "13" as a page number when lettering in [http://groups.google.com/group/gcd-main/browse_thread/thread/ccc64f1077cc3e23# this thread].
* Jim Van Dore notes Costanza's use of a reversed "13" as a page number when lettering in [http://groups.google.com/group/gcd-main/browse_thread/thread/ccc64f1077cc3e23# this thread].
 
===Cross, Jennifer===
* Is a made-up studio name by CrossGen Studios used on issues that the various inkers/colorists would jam on to make the book ship on time. [http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/06/12/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-159/]
 
===Crusty Bunkers===
*Crusty Bunker was a name that was used for a group of artists, organized by Neal Adams, that would pitch in together to get projects done by working together as a team – very much like John Romita’s famous “Romita’s Raiders.”
* Known members: Jack Abel, Neal Adams, Vicente Alcazar, Sal Amendola, Steven Austin, Terry Austin, Joe Barney, Rick Basile, Pat Bastienne, Pat Broderick, Joe Brozowski, Frank Brunner, Rick Bryant, Rich Buckler, Frank Cirocco, Howard Chaykin, Dave Cockrum, Mike Collins, Denys Cowan, Ed Davis, Joe D’Esposito, Karin Dougherty, Steve Engelhart, John Fuller, Dick Giordano, Dan Green, Larry Hama, Steve Harper, Russ Heath, Klaus Janson, Jeffrey Catherine Jones, Michael Wm. Kaluta, Paul Kirchner, Alan Kupperberg, Carl Lundgren, Estaban Maroto, Gary Martin, Bob McLeod, Al Milgrom, Steve Mitchell, Yong Montano, Tim Moriarity, Gray Morrow, Mike Nasser/Michael Netzer, Bruce Patterson, Carl Potts, Ralph Reese, Mark Rice, Marshall Rogers, Josef Rubinstein, Walter Simonson, Jim Sherman, Mary Skrenes, Bob Smith, Jim Starlin, Greg Theakston, Trevor von Eeden, Alan Weiss, Bob Wiacek, Gary Winnick, and Berni Wrightson. (from John Mundt's Live Journal)


==D==
==D==
===[[DC Profiles]]===


===de la Rosa, Sam===
===de la Rosa, Sam===


Capitalizes and spaces his name as Sam de la Rosa (per contact through the GCD Error Tracker).
Capitalizes and spaces his name as Sam de la Rosa (per contact through the GCD Error Tracker).
==E==
===Eisner, Will===
The credit of the "Boodini the Great" under Centaur ("imprint Chesler") and Archie (specifically Blue Ribbon Comics #1) to Eisner appears to be an error.  All known instances of this feature, including the Blue Ribbon one and many Centaur/Chesler appearances, are by Fred Schwab.  Additionally, Eisner never worked for Chesler.


==F==
==F==
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===Fonteriz, Rafa===
===Fonteriz, Rafa===


Full legal name is "José Rafael Fonteriz". Most of his work is credited as "Rafa Fonteriz", but some others (like http://comics.org/series.lasso?SeriesID=5290) were credited as "Joe Fonteriz"
Full legal name is "José Rafael Fonteriz". Most of his work is credited as "Rafa Fonteriz", but some others (like [http://www.comics.org/series/5290/ Nocturne (Marvel, 1995 series)]) were credited as "Joe Fonteriz"
 


===Filchock, Martin===
===Filchock, Martin===
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==M==
==M==
===Mac===
*In Who's Who the Mac part of last names is separated from the rest (I.e. Mac Arthur rather than MacArthur). This is not correct and the name should be written as one word.
===Many Hands===
* A pseudonym used by Marvel editors whenever they needed multiple inkers in late 70s/early 80s comics.
Many Hands included Mike Esposito, Frank Giacoia, Ed Hannigan, Al Milgrom,
Jim Mooney, Joe Rubinstein, Bob Sharen and Frank Springer.
===Mc===
*In Who's Who the Mc part of last names is separated from the rest (I.e. Mc Gill rather than McGill). This is not correct and the name should be written as one word. 


===Millar, Mark===
===Millar, Mark===
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==P==
==P==


===Poole, Gary T.===
===[[Gary Poole|Poole, Gary T.]]===
 
===Powell, Bob===
 
* Did not use the pen name S. T. Anley (contrary to Who's Who and Lambiek).  Likewise did not have anything to do with Timely's feature The Witness in Mystic Comics.  Per Dr. Michael J. Vassallo on the Timely-Atlas list.
 
==R==
 
===Raiola, Tony===
[[File:raiola tony 1982.jpg|thumb|Tony Raiola]]
* Photo taken in 1982, provided by Jim Stangas, used by permission.
<br style="clear: both" />
 
==S==


* A work in progress to update this writer's credits.
===Schwartz, Samm===
* Listed as Sam in the Who's Who but always credited as Samm Schwartz in the comics.  


** Former editor-in-chief at Western Publishing, Inc., New York (Golden Press, Periodicals Division)
===Sienkiewicz, Bill===
Though primarily known as a writer, Poole is also an artist and has illustrated several of his books. His cartoons have appeared in magazines and newspapers.
* Has [https://www.facebook.com/bill.sienkiewicz.18/posts/1270900912946662?pnref=story confirmed on Facebook] that in the 1990s did work under the pen name "Howard Rourke" (specifically, Namor #39 and Blaze: Legacy of Blood #1-4 in 1993-94). He was doing work for both DC and Marvel at the time, so it is not certain who that other client is that he mentions.
<blockquote>Yes. I was Howard Rourke. I'm not a Randian by any stretch, but at the time, I needed to use a nom de guerre to avoid a conflict with another client.</blockquote>


** [[File:Gary Poole.jpg]]
===Snakebite===
* Pen name used by colorist Byron Talmon.


** Books:
===Shell, Lawrence===
** Balloons Fly High: 200 years of adventure and science (Science Research Association, 1961) (with Lynn Poole)
* Listed as Lawrence in the Who's Who but goes by Larry. Was credited as Lawrence only when working with Alfredo Alcala, but as Larry everywhere else.
** History of the Ancient Olympic Games (Astor-Honor Inc, 1963) (with Lynn Poole)
 
** Fireflies in Nature and the Laboratory (Thomas Y. Crowell Company, 1965) (with Lynn Poole)
==T==
** One Passion, Two Loves The Story of Heinrich and Sophia Schliemann, Discoverers of Troy (Thomas Y. Crowell Company, 1966) (with Lynn Poole)
 
** One Thousand and One Night Stands (Da Capo Press, 1979)
===Thyme, Justin===
** The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again (Ace Books, 1979)
 
** TV Comedians (Ace Books, 1979)
* Is a made-up studio name used on issues that the various inkers/colorists would jam on to make the book ship on time. (Just in time) [http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/06/12/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-159/]
** Riddle: The Return of the Rib-Tickling, Rollicking, Rip Roaring (Dell Publishing Company, Inc., 1980)
 
** Tales of the Spooky Natural and Vampire Jokes (Grosset & Dunlap, 1980)
==W==
** Gag Galaxy: Outer Space Jokes And Riddles (Tempo, 1980)
 
** How to Laugh and Be Well (The Laugh Factory, 1982) (with Vince Donato)
===Wheeler-Nicholson, Malcolm===
** Who's Zoo: Animal Jokes and Riddles (Ace Books, 1982)
 
** BMX Rider ( (Modern Publishing, 1984)
* "MWN died in 1965 not 1968 and TJB Nicholson was his step-father. His mother Antoinette Wheeler was a suffragette and when she married TJB she hyphenated the name as was the custom of the day." - info from Nicky Wheeler-Nicholson, his grand daughter (http://errors.comics.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9155)
** Mary Lou Retton World Gymnastics Champion (Modern Publishing, 1984)
** Movie Monsters (Modern Publishing, 1988)
** Debbie Gibson Biography (Modern Publishing, 1988)
** Ghostbusters II : Flip 'N' Fun Jokes, Riddles & Coloring Book (Honey Bear Books, 1988)
** Sky Blue Frame (The Hardy Boys #89) (Aladdin, 1988) (as by Franklin W. Dixon)
** Joe McIntyre (New Kids on the Block Series) (Modern Publishing, 1989)
** Laugh Yourself Well (Merriment Publishing Co. 1989)
** Student Organizer and Self-Testing Book for Introduction to Psychology (McGraw-Hill, 1989) (with Rod Plotnik)
** Footprint's of a Chickie (Itsy-Bitsies Storybooks) (Modern Publishing, 1990)
** Kitties' Purr-Fect Caper (Itsy-Bitsies Storybooks) (Modern Publishing 1990)
** What's So Funny, Puppies? (Itsy Bitsies Storybooks) (Modern Publishing, 1990)
** Wooly Has Two Dozen Sisters (Itsy Bitsies Storybooks) (Modern Publishing, 1990)
** Mexico By Rail (Hunter Publishing Co., 1992)
** Fostering Critical Thinking For Plotnik's Introduction to Psychology, Third Edition (Brooks/Cole Publishing Company, 1993)
** Tough Questions Leader's Guide (Zondervan: 1998)
** Psychology of Health & Healthcare (Pearson Education Ltd., 2000) (with Deborah Hunt Matheson and David N. Cox)
** Radio Comedy Diary: A Researcher's Guide to the Actual Jokes and Quotes of the Top Comedy Programs of 1947-1950 (McFarland & Company, 2001)
** The Complete Book of Questions (Zondervan Publishing House. 2003)
** Don't All Religions Lead To God (Zondervan Publishing USA, 2003)
** Effective Teaching With Technology in Higher Education : Foundations for Success (Jossey-Bass Inc., 2003) (with Tony Bates)
** How Could God Allow Suffering And Evil (Zondervan Publishing USA, 2003)
** Why Become a Christian? (Zondervan Publishing, 2003)
** The Da Vinci Code & Angels & Demons (2003) - includes "Discussing" by Lee Strobel & Gary Poole examines the issues raised by the "code" book & movie
** Experiencing the Passion of Jesus A Discussion Guide on History's Most Important Event (Zondervan, 2004) (with Lee Strobel
** Witches of Northamptonshire (Tempus Publishing, 2006) (with Karen Stokes)
** Invitation to Psychology and Mind Matters (Pearson / Prentice Hall, Canada, 2006) (with Carole Wade and Carol Tavris)
** In My Opinion (???, ????)
**
** Scripts
** Warner Bros. cartoon characters Bugs Bunny, Tweety and Sylvester, Yosemite Sam
Little Lulu and Bullwinkle for Gold Key Comics
**
** Radio
** disk jockey and talk show host
** seven years as master of ceremonies for the Network Television Preview Theater in New York City, testing pilot films in front of live audiences
** writer/producer of "The Laugh Factory," a cable television show featuring upcoming standup comedians.
**
** Poole performs regularly on radio in Spartanburg, South Carolina (103.3FM) with the Meriiment Players doing satires of old-time radio shows. He is also in demand as a speaker and lectures widely at colleges, universities and corporations.
**
** Gary Poole email 2011-01-17:
** I wrote lots of comic books for them from 1968 to the early 1980s ... for the Warner Bros charcters Bugs Bunny, Tweety & Sylvester, Yosemite Sam, Porky Pig, Daffy Duck...all of them.
**
** On the serious side I wrote a lot of Twilight Zone stories for Gold Key, also Boris Karloff's Tales of Mysteries, The Munsters.
**
** I also wrote some of the Phantom comic books and Mandrake the Magician for King Comics, Bill Harris, editor at King Features Syndicate back in the 60s & 70s.
**
** I wound up being asked to come inside and become editor-in-chief of Golden Magazine (Golden Press children's books) and did that for five years.
**
** Gary Poole email 2011-01-19:
** Matt Murphy initially hired me [at Western].  He was Managing Editor of the periodicals division then (1966, I believe). I was referred to him by my agent Toni Mendez, who was a power in the newspaper comics business.  She was trying to sell a comic strip I came up with and sent me to Matt at Gold Key comics to make some "bread & butter" money while we awaited the fate of my comic strip.  It never sold.
My first assignment was to write a story for The Munsters.  I was successful with that and began getting assignments for the entire line at Gold Key.
** I later wrote scripts for [Frank Bolle's] newspaper strip "Debbie Deere" and four monthly features for Boy's Life magazine which he illustrated.
** Al Williamson and I were called in to do a promotional piece for Zipper manufacturers. I wrote the script and he was to illustrate it.  I never saw the finished product.
** I also adapted the novel King Kong (which was produced in an extra large size released with the remake of the mighty Kong in 1977.  The art for that was done by Alberto Giolitti in Italy.
**
** High School: Gaffney Senior High, Class of 1949
** College: American Academy of Dramatic Arts New York University: Performing/acting · Writing
** Married: June 10, 1989
**
** 1968
** King Kong (Gold Key) (September 1968)
**
** 1977
** GRIMM'S GHOST STORIES~ (Western)
** Grimm's Ghost Stories (Gold Key) #42 (November 1977): Pretty Lady (6 pages, script)
** Mystery / occult (Western)
** TWILIGHT ZONE, THE~ (Western)
**
** 1978
** TWEETY AND SYLVESTER (Western)
** GRIMM'S GHOST STORIES~ (Western)
** Mystery / occult (Western)
** TWILIGHT ZONE, THE~ (Western)
**
** 1979
** Movie Adaptations (Western)
** BATTLE OF THE PLANETS (Western)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #1 (June 1979): Operation: Decoy (12 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #1 (June 1979): Undersea Threat (10 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #2 (August 1979): Ice Creature (12 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #2 (August 1979): The Flaming Menace (10 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #3 (October 1979): Solar Blockade (11 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #3 (October 1979): The Lake Monster! (11 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #4 (December 1979): The Creeping Forest (11 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Gold Key) #4 (December 1979): The Earthquake Menace (11 pages, script)
** FLASH GORDON (Western)
** Flash Gordon (Gold Key) #25: Volcano! (September 1979) (22 pages, script)
** Flash Gordon (Gold Key) #26 (November 1979): The Land of the Serpents (22 pages, script)
** GRIMM'S GHOST STORIES~ (Western)
** Mystery / occult (Western)
** TWILIGHT ZONE, THE~ (Western)
**
** 1980
** BATTLE OF THE PLANETS (Western)
** Battle of the Planets (Whitman) #7 (June 1980): Enemy Within (11 pages, script)
** Battle of the Planets (Whitman) #7 (June 1980): Invasion of the Ant Creatures (11 pages, script)
** FLASH GORDON (Western)
** Flash Gordon (Gold Key) #27 (January 1980): The Enchanted City (22 pages, script)
** Movie Adaptations (Western)
** GRIMM'S GHOST STORIES~ (Western)
** Mystery / occult (Western)


===Powell, Bob===


* Did not use the pen name S. T. Anley (contrary to Who's Who and Lambiek).  Likewise did not have anything to do with Timely's feature The Witness in Mystic Comics.  Per Dr. Michael J. Vassallo on the Timely-Atlas list.
[[Category: Other Projects]]

Latest revision as of 06:40, 3 May 2020

This is a page for storing supplementary information about various people involved in comics. In particular, facts (with sources when possible) that might be relevant to folks researching credits to add to or correct in the GCD. This is also a good place to list corrections to Who's Who, since that site is no longer updated.

A

A. Machine

According to Gene Reed and Ramon Schenk, lettering credited to "A. Machine" in Charlton comics was produced using a modified typewriter that would accept original art in the carriage, mostly by Dick Giordano's wife but also by many other creators (and perhaps their wives). The lettering was typed onto the art, which explains why it doesn't always fit the word balloons as neatly as hand-lettering.

B

Bea, Josep Maria

Used to be credited as "Jose Bea" before late 1970s."Josep" is the Catalan name for the Spanish "José" and was forbidden during Franco's dictatorship (1939-1975).He has always used "Josep" since then.

C

Castle, Herb

Colletta, Vince

The following regarding Vince Colletta's collaborations with other artists was received from his son, Franklin Colletta, on January 1, 2013. "My dad was responsible for producing a lot of art from time to time. Coincidentally, many artists were looking for work. You would have to list about 25 guys to cover what was essentially the Colletta studios in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Many stories are credited to Vinnie alone when in fact there were other hands in the mix. I started using the 'Vince Colletta Studio' credit because I've seen his collaborative art referred to that way and out of fairness. There was no fixed arrangement, per se. Artists who had talent and could meet deadlines like Joe Sinnott, Dick Giordano, Hy Eisman and Maurice Whitman figured prominently while slower or less enthusiastic artists like Mike Sekowsky, Frank Giacoia, Matt Baker or Wally Wood appeared less frequently. The contributions by artists working under my father ranged from penciling and inking to backgrounds and breakdowns. Vinnie's own contributions to books I consider "Vince Colletta Studio" material ranged from drawing 99% of the stories to just retouching faces and other prominent features."

Costanza, John

  • Jim Van Dore notes Costanza's use of a reversed "13" as a page number when lettering in this thread.

Cross, Jennifer

  • Is a made-up studio name by CrossGen Studios used on issues that the various inkers/colorists would jam on to make the book ship on time. [1]

Crusty Bunkers

  • Crusty Bunker was a name that was used for a group of artists, organized by Neal Adams, that would pitch in together to get projects done by working together as a team – very much like John Romita’s famous “Romita’s Raiders.”
  • Known members: Jack Abel, Neal Adams, Vicente Alcazar, Sal Amendola, Steven Austin, Terry Austin, Joe Barney, Rick Basile, Pat Bastienne, Pat Broderick, Joe Brozowski, Frank Brunner, Rick Bryant, Rich Buckler, Frank Cirocco, Howard Chaykin, Dave Cockrum, Mike Collins, Denys Cowan, Ed Davis, Joe D’Esposito, Karin Dougherty, Steve Engelhart, John Fuller, Dick Giordano, Dan Green, Larry Hama, Steve Harper, Russ Heath, Klaus Janson, Jeffrey Catherine Jones, Michael Wm. Kaluta, Paul Kirchner, Alan Kupperberg, Carl Lundgren, Estaban Maroto, Gary Martin, Bob McLeod, Al Milgrom, Steve Mitchell, Yong Montano, Tim Moriarity, Gray Morrow, Mike Nasser/Michael Netzer, Bruce Patterson, Carl Potts, Ralph Reese, Mark Rice, Marshall Rogers, Josef Rubinstein, Walter Simonson, Jim Sherman, Mary Skrenes, Bob Smith, Jim Starlin, Greg Theakston, Trevor von Eeden, Alan Weiss, Bob Wiacek, Gary Winnick, and Berni Wrightson. (from John Mundt's Live Journal)

D

DC Profiles

de la Rosa, Sam

Capitalizes and spaces his name as Sam de la Rosa (per contact through the GCD Error Tracker).

E

Eisner, Will

The credit of the "Boodini the Great" under Centaur ("imprint Chesler") and Archie (specifically Blue Ribbon Comics #1) to Eisner appears to be an error. All known instances of this feature, including the Blue Ribbon one and many Centaur/Chesler appearances, are by Fred Schwab. Additionally, Eisner never worked for Chesler.

F

Fonteriz, Rafa

Full legal name is "José Rafael Fonteriz". Most of his work is credited as "Rafa Fonteriz", but some others (like Nocturne (Marvel, 1995 series)) were credited as "Joe Fonteriz"

Filchock, Martin

  • Wrote most of his stories. Per interview, source forgotten.
  • Did not work on Centaur's Phantom Rider, nor did he work with Jack Cole (listed as writer on a Phantom Rider story attributed to Filchock). As told directly to Jim Amash on the Timely-Atlas list.

G

Gustavson, Paul

  • Wrote only humor features, provided art only for all other sorts of features. Per Craig Delich from interviews conducted by Jerry Bails.

García López, José Luis

In American comics he often signs his work without accents (as they are not used in English) and sometimes merges both surnames (García and López) using a hyphen (Garcia-Lopez). He is not to be confused with Luis Garcia, who worked for the Warren magazines (as confirmed by Kevin Nowlan).

I

Infantino, Carmine

  • Laid out the majority of DC's covers from 1968-1976. Per Steven Rowe, although this has come up in various interviews so we should be able to make this more specific and document a better source.

J

Johnson, Dave

  • Artist known mostly for his covers for 100 Bullets from DC. Not the same Dave Johnson that is known as "Crusher Dave" Johnson.

Johnson, "Crusher" Dave

  • Artist known mostly for his work on Comico's Robotech. He usually signs his work as "Crusher Dave". Not the same Dave Johnson as the one currently working in comics.


K

Kastle, Herbert D.

M

Mac

  • In Who's Who the Mac part of last names is separated from the rest (I.e. Mac Arthur rather than MacArthur). This is not correct and the name should be written as one word.

Many Hands

  • A pseudonym used by Marvel editors whenever they needed multiple inkers in late 70s/early 80s comics.

Many Hands included Mike Esposito, Frank Giacoia, Ed Hannigan, Al Milgrom, Jim Mooney, Joe Rubinstein, Bob Sharen and Frank Springer.

Mc

  • In Who's Who the Mc part of last names is separated from the rest (I.e. Mc Gill rather than McGill). This is not correct and the name should be written as one word. 

Millar, Mark

  • Writer whose most famous work is the Top Cow book Wanted, which was later made into a movie.

Miller, Mark S.

  • Writer and artist who did a lot of work with Malibu Comics and later founder of Alias Comics. Mark signed "Mark Miller" until the other Mark Millar started appearing, at which time he started signing "Mark S. Miller"

O

Oda, Ben

P

Poole, Gary T.

Powell, Bob

  • Did not use the pen name S. T. Anley (contrary to Who's Who and Lambiek). Likewise did not have anything to do with Timely's feature The Witness in Mystic Comics. Per Dr. Michael J. Vassallo on the Timely-Atlas list.

R

Raiola, Tony

Tony Raiola
  • Photo taken in 1982, provided by Jim Stangas, used by permission.


S

Schwartz, Samm

  • Listed as Sam in the Who's Who but always credited as Samm Schwartz in the comics.

Sienkiewicz, Bill

  • Has confirmed on Facebook that in the 1990s did work under the pen name "Howard Rourke" (specifically, Namor #39 and Blaze: Legacy of Blood #1-4 in 1993-94). He was doing work for both DC and Marvel at the time, so it is not certain who that other client is that he mentions.

Yes. I was Howard Rourke. I'm not a Randian by any stretch, but at the time, I needed to use a nom de guerre to avoid a conflict with another client.

Snakebite

  • Pen name used by colorist Byron Talmon.

Shell, Lawrence

  • Listed as Lawrence in the Who's Who but goes by Larry. Was credited as Lawrence only when working with Alfredo Alcala, but as Larry everywhere else.

T

Thyme, Justin

  • Is a made-up studio name used on issues that the various inkers/colorists would jam on to make the book ship on time. (Just in time) [2]

W

Wheeler-Nicholson, Malcolm

  • "MWN died in 1965 not 1968 and TJB Nicholson was his step-father. His mother Antoinette Wheeler was a suffragette and when she married TJB she hyphenated the name as was the custom of the day." - info from Nicky Wheeler-Nicholson, his grand daughter (http://errors.comics.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9155)